Quick Question

I was looking at a Devil Diver and managed to find one for a good price, but I am still hesitant. What do you think? Would you pay $260 for a new Devil Diver?

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Personally no, I think they are too big and if I wanted a diver Bulova wouldn't be the brand I'd be thinking of. That said, do you actually want one of these because the price is good, so if you do then strike while it's there.

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Just_a_watch_fan

Personally no, I think they are too big and if I wanted a diver Bulova wouldn't be the brand I'd be thinking of. That said, do you actually want one of these because the price is good, so if you do then strike while it's there.

I am on the fence. I like Bulova's Archive series, but do think the A15 Pilot, the Devil Diver, and the Mil-Ships are prices outrageously, and I still think over $250 is quite a bit of money for a watch with a Miyota 8000 series movement, but it is much better than the MSRP $795. Just can't seem to decide.

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Did you watch JOMW's video on the Devil Diver? Maybe it'll help you decide! I feel like $250 is really good for this watch, even if it has a Miyota 8000 series movement. Disappointing for sure at that level, but the rest of the watch really is super interesting and apparently very well thought out and put together!

Seems to be like $365 on the grey market, so $250 is knocking  the price down to a fantastic level.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVSyx1GWBY

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I was in the same boat a couple years ago. Too big,too shiny, basic movement,

I'm happy I made the decision I made.

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I got mine pre-owned and have zero regrets. I paid 295 and it's worth every dime.

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Candide3693

I am on the fence. I like Bulova's Archive series, but do think the A15 Pilot, the Devil Diver, and the Mil-Ships are prices outrageously, and I still think over $250 is quite a bit of money for a watch with a Miyota 8000 series movement, but it is much better than the MSRP $795. Just can't seem to decide.

A few thoughts: 

First, this isn't powered by a Miyota 8215... it is an 821D, which is a better reinforced version of the 821A. The 821A is Miyota's dressed up version of the 8215, with hacking added. It is a far better movement, so the "8000 series" moniker is downplaying a much nicer movement.

Second, basically any decent sapphire crystal equipped automatic diver on a solid endlink bracelet is going to retail around $300 minimum, with limited exception. I actually think $260 is extremely reasonable given the specs, coupled with a known brand name: this thing is cheaper than most micro brands.

Finally, MSRP is an almost completely useless figure the majority of the time. In the watch world, it is a fanciful figure that is literally just made up and mostly irrelevant. Usually, the less known a brand is, the more ludicrously high the MSRP is set at (Gevril's MSRP's are almost always 4x retail). Even Omega's Seamaster 300m lists at $5200 MSRP but regularly sells for up to a grand less. Only the most premium brands, like Rolex, actually sell for MSRP, or more, but that is a separate topic.

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Candide3693

I am on the fence. I like Bulova's Archive series, but do think the A15 Pilot, the Devil Diver, and the Mil-Ships are prices outrageously, and I still think over $250 is quite a bit of money for a watch with a Miyota 8000 series movement, but it is much better than the MSRP $795. Just can't seem to decide.

Personally a little big for me, but I'd say if you like it go for it! You can always flip it if you change your mind... Looks great with that colour bezel as well.

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Achenar

A few thoughts: 

First, this isn't powered by a Miyota 8215... it is an 821D, which is a better reinforced version of the 821A. The 821A is Miyota's dressed up version of the 8215, with hacking added. It is a far better movement, so the "8000 series" moniker is downplaying a much nicer movement.

Second, basically any decent sapphire crystal equipped automatic diver on a solid endlink bracelet is going to retail around $300 minimum, with limited exception. I actually think $260 is extremely reasonable given the specs, coupled with a known brand name: this thing is cheaper than most micro brands.

Finally, MSRP is an almost completely useless figure the majority of the time. In the watch world, it is a fanciful figure that is literally just made up and mostly irrelevant. Usually, the less known a brand is, the more ludicrously high the MSRP is set at (Gevril's MSRP's are almost always 4x retail). Even Omega's Seamaster 300m lists at $5200 MSRP but regularly sells for up to a grand less. Only the most premium brands, like Rolex, actually sell for MSRP, or more, but that is a separate topic.

You make really good points. I do have a Hack, so I know it is more than a simple 8000 series movement and I wasn't trying to be unfair to the watch. However, the MSRP on the Devil Diver is pretty close to the MSRP on the Mil-Ships, and that has the 9000 series movement. I guess I am just a bit surprised and disappointed that they didn't put a 9000 series movement in this. Still, you are correct that this is a great value for a quality diver.

Just ordered it. 😀

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Everyone, thanks for the discussion and opinions. You have helped me to realize that this is a great deal on a new Devil Diver, so I just pulled the trigger and ordered one!

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nikson

Did you watch JOMW's video on the Devil Diver? Maybe it'll help you decide! I feel like $250 is really good for this watch, even if it has a Miyota 8000 series movement. Disappointing for sure at that level, but the rest of the watch really is super interesting and apparently very well thought out and put together!

Seems to be like $365 on the grey market, so $250 is knocking  the price down to a fantastic level.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZVSyx1GWBY

Just ordered it. 😀

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foghorn

I was in the same boat a couple years ago. Too big,too shiny, basic movement,

I'm happy I made the decision I made.

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I got mine pre-owned and have zero regrets. I paid 295 and it's worth every dime.

Just ordered it. 😀

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Psylo88

Personally a little big for me, but I'd say if you like it go for it! You can always flip it if you change your mind... Looks great with that colour bezel as well.

Just ordered it. 😀

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Candide3693

You make really good points. I do have a Hack, so I know it is more than a simple 8000 series movement and I wasn't trying to be unfair to the watch. However, the MSRP on the Devil Diver is pretty close to the MSRP on the Mil-Ships, and that has the 9000 series movement. I guess I am just a bit surprised and disappointed that they didn't put a 9000 series movement in this. Still, you are correct that this is a great value for a quality diver.

Just ordered it. 😀

Ya I kind of have to agree with you, but not for the money. I have both an 821A equipped watch and a 9015 equipped watch, and, amusingly, the 821A is more accurate and less noisy (That is not entirely fair, as the 821A was regulated better from the factory). The 9015 is a great movement, from the 28,800 beat rate, to the incredibly thin, ETA 2892 thickness, it really is a nice option.

That said, The only watch I know of with the Miyota anywhere near this price point is the Aquacy 1769 Rolex homage, which retails for $300, but often goes for more on the open market. And Aquacy is small micro brand that doesn't build a particularly serviceable watch, so if something breaks, they basically cannot help you (I know, I have tried, but that's another story).

Bulova, as a company, will likely have some better service options, should something go wrong, or if there is a defect (like a misaligned bezel). And, again, MSRP is meaningless; I seriously doubt you can find a Mil-Ships for anywhere near $260. 9015 watches often realistically go for $500-$700.

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Achenar

A few thoughts: 

First, this isn't powered by a Miyota 8215... it is an 821D, which is a better reinforced version of the 821A. The 821A is Miyota's dressed up version of the 8215, with hacking added. It is a far better movement, so the "8000 series" moniker is downplaying a much nicer movement.

Second, basically any decent sapphire crystal equipped automatic diver on a solid endlink bracelet is going to retail around $300 minimum, with limited exception. I actually think $260 is extremely reasonable given the specs, coupled with a known brand name: this thing is cheaper than most micro brands.

Finally, MSRP is an almost completely useless figure the majority of the time. In the watch world, it is a fanciful figure that is literally just made up and mostly irrelevant. Usually, the less known a brand is, the more ludicrously high the MSRP is set at (Gevril's MSRP's are almost always 4x retail). Even Omega's Seamaster 300m lists at $5200 MSRP but regularly sells for up to a grand less. Only the most premium brands, like Rolex, actually sell for MSRP, or more, but that is a separate topic.

Hi-mine is a non hacking Miyota 821 series. I have watches with the hacking version but, unless Bulova recently upgraded the Devil Diver, it doesn't hack. Which is no big deal. Easy enough to sync it without back hacking.

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foghorn

Hi-mine is a non hacking Miyota 821 series. I have watches with the hacking version but, unless Bulova recently upgraded the Devil Diver, it doesn't hack. Which is no big deal. Easy enough to sync it without back hacking.

Miyota added hacking to the 821A in late 2019, I believe. All watches with movements sourced after that date should hack, whereas ones built with movements sourced prior to then will not. I probably should have specified that. It has nothing to do with Bulova modifying the movement and everything to do with when they got the movement from Miyota. This is why I bought my Laco Paderborn new, as to make sure it would have the newer movement redesign.